people died in fighting today. this is homs where activists say rebels battled government forces. meantime, turkey's military fired artillery into syria today, retaliating for strikes from syria. leon panetta says the war could become something much worse. >> the fact that there are now exchanges of fire between these two countries raises additional concerns that this conflict could broaden. >>> gas prices in california jumped again overnight, drivers now paying an average of $4.61 a gallon with some parts of the state seeing closer to six bucks. experts are blaming it to a series of problems with refineries coupled with low supply. >>> here's what's we're working on tonight. tv anchor fights back. >> i am much more than a number on a scale. >> going off on a viewer who called her fat. and a bad example to young girls. is he right? celebrities, local and beyond, even politicians. are they obligated to be attractive and healthy role models? plus-size model emmy has a lot to say about that, live. >>> fat america. our addiction to food rivals drugs. more than one-third of all adults

contentious issues of the campaign. the focus will be on the role of government, the economy and health care. mitt romney has a history of shall we sa waffling a little bit on these important issues we even have a collection of mitt's flip flops here inside the war room but this suggests where his position is actually going to be on wednesday night. first off, the role of government as a subject, and that really gets fundamentally to the issue of taxes, at least for mitt romney. the romney memo says that mitt romney will not raise taxes on anyone and that he will deliver tax cuts for the middle class. sounds pretty good, but the brookings tax policy center took a look at this issue, and here is what they found. under mitt romney 95% of americans making under $200,000 would have a tax increase averaging $2,000 while the wealthiest americans would see tax cuts of up to $86,000 per year. and his claim that he can give the wealthy those tax breaks and still close the deficit, that claim is mathematically impossible according to the tax policy center. romney's fuzzy math has put his surrogat

the economy, the next two about governance, and the last about health care. what jim lehrer is going to do is pose a question and each candidate will have two minutes to respond, and then the next ten minutes he can go wherever he wants. he can have that talk with each other, or follow up. and that's up with of the things i have to tell you, the candidates and campaigns i am told are a little bit nervous about. they expect jim lehrer to be mildly aggressive but again, the possibility for mitt romney and barack obama to encourage and engage each other should be one of the more intriguing aspects of this debate. >> cenk: so romney can ask president obama a direct question, and the time will be monitored by jim lehrer in a very lose way; is that right? >> that's right. if mitt romney wants to say president obama how do you explain the fact that you said the economy would be doing better than it has been. jim lehrer can say, president obama why don't you respond. >> cenk: all right. thank you so much. it's really important tonight because this is where mitt romney has to be aggress

people. state tv reports that three explosions rocked a government-controlled district in aleppo. now let's head to wall street. cnbc's mandy drury is at the new york stock exchange. good morning to you, mandy. >> good morning to you as well, natalie. today we're watching the private sector jobs report for some clues as to what kind of report we're going to get on friday when the big government payrolls report comes out. at this stage economists are expecting 153,000 jobs were created in the month of september, and apple shares are in focus once again as there are some reports out that asian component suppliers of apple have begun mass production of a smaller tablet computer that apparently is smaller than the current ipad. we're all waiting for that as well. back to you. >> wonderful to be in time for the holidays. mandy drury, thanks so much. >>> the self-proclaimed world's best dad is at it again. davengedow and his 20-month-old daughter have become famous online that show sarcastically why dave's the greatest dad. after their appearance on her show last week where alice bee got a

of the prisons the united states are run by the federal government and i certainly do sympathize with lucy a creep of corporations buying prisons i mean this is going to florida they're going to bunch of states saying sell us your prisons they obviously want to do that and the florida department of management services is showing that is the taxpayers are getting a ten to twenty seven percent less expenditure rate for their prison so there are there are some bonuses to having privately run prisons in the united states and again it is a very small number of three to four you're ok so maybe that's one. tucson citizen in arizona where similar deal was made with c.c.a. found the taxpayers are losing three and a half million dollars a year so it's still up in the air whether or not this is actually a good deal for taxpayers but strictly on the idea of letting for profit corporations take over this part of our commons do you think that's a good idea well that's really difficult sam i mean i do sympathize with the liberal viewpoint we have over incarceration in this country we have like

doesn't work for them because cartels and powerful entries like government cut down to size. i want to talk to them and all the millions of people across our country who don't think they get a fair crack of the whip. i don't want to say to them, guess our problems are deep, but they can be overcome. these problems about who pritt ms. fuller and who prospers within it. one rule for those at the top, and other rule for everybody else. two nations, not one. i want to say to them today, it is not the britain you believe in. it's not the britain i believe in. it is not the written this party will ever be satisfied with. [applause] friends, we are going to change it, and here's how. we can start with the inner strength of the country. you see, the problem is that the british people. of the paralympic games. it was a trial for britain. [applause] and wanting to succeed, we succeeded because of our outstanding athletes from zara phillips, the granddaughter of a parachuting queen to a boy born in somalia called mo farah. mo farah, a true brit, a true hero to our country. [applause] we succee

saying his government not to blame for the money crisis. he says it's the west. it's the united states, the sanctions that amount to warfare against iran. i want to bring in holly. confwrat las vegas on your emmy, by the way. >> for the cnn internationaled team and when we covered the egyptian revolution and certainly the story for which we were recognized, the fall of hosni mubarak. really the deline. >> do we know if that's true? >> if what is true sf. >> is it the sanction that is are really doing this? >> part of it is when you bring dollars in, if that amount of dollar income is reduced, then you're going to have less to play with inside the country. why are people so unhappy? it's because it has led to inflation, buzz when you are an iranian factory and you need spare parts, and you need supplies that you need to buy outside of iran, and then if the value of your kurn has fallen 40% in one week, that's how much more expensive it is for you to buy those parts. we saw it on the streets of tehran outside of one of those main bazaars. it's leading to a lot of anger among ordinary ira

siphoned by the government. many of his supporters say they will leave venezuela, likely destination, the united states. >> i love venezuela. we'll continue fighting for freedom. >> reporter: president hugo chavez is battling cancer. were it to take his life in the first four years of his life the vice president would serve for only 30 days, just enough time to stage a new election. natalie? >> kerry sanders in caracas, venezuela. thank you, kerry. >>> at least 27 new cases of fungal meningitis emerged as the deadly outbreak linked to steroid injections spreads to nine states. 91 people are now infected as the new england drug company that produced those injections widens its recall. the steroid is frequently used to treat back pain, and authorities say thousands of patients may have been injected with drugs made at the affected facility. >>> a plea deal today for the former cincinnati bengals cheerleader facing sexual abuse charges. the agreement will allow sarah jones to avoid a trial slated to begin wednesday. the 27-year-old jones is expected to serve probation but no jail time for ha

unsuccessful. the president has a view similar to what he had four years ago. a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, trickle-down government would work. host: facebook.com/span. what were the highs and lows of the debate is what we had on our facebook page. we're trying to read as many of those as possible. here is the front page of "the news york times." gil from pensacola, florida on our others line. caller: as a debate, i think that mitt romney did very well. this is a about a campaign. the question is where were you then and how are you now? how will you bring it around? what do you have to do to change tax policy? people can see a point in time at any minute and make a decision, but if you are looking at the long road, i keep saying, okay, mr. obama, what are you going to change to get the house and the senate to work together? mr. romney, what is your plan? which of the plants that you talk about are you there for? -- which of the plans are you there for? are you going to give a 20% across the board tax reduction? as a person that follows this stuf

medals and they also read them because the french government and the army wanted to understand what had gone wrong in 1940, why did we use this campaign so disastrously so it wasn't about human rights or not document in the massacres, but in the context of trying to explain the defeat, the officers very often gave a lot of detail on what had actually happened in the combat right after these people were taken prisoner so those are the most important sources. the soldiers in the diaries admit that they did kill africans. very few of them, but what you can see in the german source mostly the stereotypes about men eating african soldiers that mirror almost 1-1 in the proceeding days. one of the things that surprised me is that the massacres were by no means universal. there were german officers who were exposed to the san nazi propaganda of those that ordered the massacres but decided this is not right. this is against the geneva convention, this is a legal even though the official nazi newspaper essentially legitimized the killing of the prisoners it's the wrong thing to do, and many offic

to go back to 2009 and 2010 and let the other side have total control of the government. total control of the government? think about that for a second. mitch mcconnell is talking about democrats controlling the senate and the white house and democrats controlling the house. i mean, few people other than nancy pelosi and other house democrats are talking about the democrats conceivably taking control of the house. but mitch mcconnell seems to think that's a possibility. as the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell is most concerned with senate seats and that's what he's backstopping here when pitching to donors. but the pitch he's making to republican donors is amazing. he's pitching that republicans need to work hard and collect your hard-earned money to hold on to seats in the senate because the republicans will yihat eyl se ienta 'se it goes without saying for these guys now. this is the gurech odse i the country. anisch is mitt romney is going to lose. you need us so democrats don't control everything. everybody has been waiting to find out if mitt romney looks l

government and governing. president obama looking to solidify his lead in the swing states that could decide the election. the president has been taking aim at governor romney's secretly recorded comments about the 47 percent of americans who do not pay income taxes. those comments will likely comment up tonight. for governor romney, the debate presents a chance to gain momentum by hitting the president where some consider him vulnerable, on jobs and the sluggish economy. the romney campaign has new ammunition from vice president biden and comments yesterday about the middle class. >> how can they justify raising taxes on the middle class which has been buried the last four years. >> an obama advisor defended the vice president saying it is the republican policies that hurt the middle class in the first place. the romney campaign targeting the comment in a brand new ad already. we will show you that in a minute. a new nbc and the "wall street journal," parent company of this network. shows the president ahead 49 percent to 46 percent which is in the margin of error. in the states, it

the end of the year, as you said, there's spending cuts that affect more than 1,000 government programs. >> mandated. >> absolutely. that could go into effect. tax cuts set to expire, including the bush tax cuts and the payroll tax cut. combined, all of these things could wipe about 5% growth off the economy, throw us into recession and the tax increases from 90% of americans. >> that sounds like the doomsday scenario. i mentioned there's been a stalemate so far, but the pressure is going to month on both sides to get something done. what's the likelihood we end up falling off this fiscal cliff? >> it's teetering right now. we've got eight senators, democrats and republicans, meeting behind closed doors in mt. vernon trying to come to some sort of a compromise, but there are other people who suggest that if we're allowed to go over the cliff, their negotiating power from both sides gains strength. >> let's break this down to the average person and the average family, all right. describe for me what happens to people at various income levels if all of these things actually fall

today i want to talk to you about a new stupid government law that said long new jersey that requires pet owners to buckle their animals in the seatbelt while driving do you think government overreach if this ridiculous piece of legislation would become a law you know it stand to gain the most the dog the seat belt industry that too sometimes your dog really is your best friend but not when you're driving around a man you tell him to stay but all he wants to do is play introducing the click instead of the ultimate solution to keeping your dog in to see some you can be safe and secure in your dog seat belt really the only thing worse than this is when parents put their children on the leash and the third thing is just another example of the nanny government overstepping their bounds so first dogs what's next buckling down every loose object in our cars i mean don't get me wrong it's important to be a safe driver but this is not about you being a safe driver this is about you getting your highbrows dog to calm down try taking them for a walk or playing fetch them a little bit more we do

female punk rock group jailed for anti-government performance inside moscow's main cathedral. the court said the freed member never actually took part in the performance because guards threw her out before she could remove the guy tar from its case. the court did uphold two-year sentences for two other band members. >>> police have releasedmore photos and a home video of the denver-area schoolgirl who has been missing since last friday, and they hope the images will lead to sightings of 10-year-old jessica ridgeway who vanished on her walk to school. hundreds of people gathered tuesday night at a neighborhood vigil for the fifth grader. jessica's parents spoke publicly for the very first time tuesday and denied any involvement in her disappearance. >>> convicted child sexual abuser jerry sandusky is set to be transferred to state prison next week. the former penn state assistant football coach has been officially labeled a sexually violent predator. judge john cleland sentenced sandusky to 30 to 60 years, a number he says amounts to a life sentence. his lawyers says they are prepa

make it seem as though that when you talk about limits on the national government, that's antithetical to the constitution, the existence of a national government. it's embeddedded in the original argument. it argument was about limits. it wasn't about -- you hear this kind of and all these people trying to push us back to the article. that's ludicrous. and that's -- but helped to develop the constitution. .. the same time you understand there are some people still fighting the debate that engage in that debate and subsequent to that even in the adoption of 13th and 14th and 15th amendments you still have so we are still talking about what are the amendments of the national guard? what is the role of the national government, how we protect individual rights and liberties etc.. >> what's move forward and start talking about the events that press the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. i want our audience, everybody on c-span it isn't just -- it is a special anniversary, it isn't just a to enter the 25th anniversary of the year that changes everything in human history, we the pe

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states in 1997 but the federal government, mandated by federal law, we already had two early decisions from district courts involving private plaintiffs or for profit plaintiffs and the issue to address the merits, there were procedural issues because of ongoing regulatory process that might create a sort of interim step in terms of going up and down the court but that actually is going to get resolved between now and august 1st, 2013. the administrative process will be done and the courts will invariably go straight and you will get merit decisions uniformly by the end of next year. >> those that depend on what the administration does and who wins? >> not really. what the administration has put into play is a piece of the problem. and also the constraints they put upon themselves in addressing that limited issue indicates that there is not going to be much if any relief in the offing for people who sued. basically reading of the writing on the wall or the federal register. there is some accommodation that doesn't include relieving the burden and they go into court right away. >> we ha

in the u.s. attorney scandal, said my 22 million e-mails were deleted and these are all government documents and they have never been found. so that was one thing he seems to have gotten away with. another thing was in 2004, smart tag played a central role in the presidential election. the secretary of each state, a part of their job is to oversee an impartial election. you may recall kathleen harris in florida was secretary of state of florida and she also haven't played a central role in the bush election and there is considerable controversy over that. well, a very similar thing happened in ohio in 2004, where ken blackwell was secretary of state. and again, he was supposed to oversee a fair and impartial election. but he happened to be cochaired the bush cheney reelection committee. he decided to tabulate the return for the 2004 election was secretary of state's computers weren't enough than they needed to get another set of computer service. so who did he go to both smart tack. smart tax roll raises an amount of very interesting questions. i went through the returns as deeply

government he talked about caring for people who are less fortunate. >> not scaring. i got to get out. steve we're going to have you back again. love to have you back. jennifer's going to hang around for awhile for the full show tonight. i want to switch gears. this goes to what we were talk about. will mitt romney's performance last evening be enough to swing voters? my next guest was one of chicago's most influential obama supporters back in 2008. in this election cycle she has switched gears to support mitt romney. susan crown now cochair of illinois for romney. she's a member of the national finance team for the romney campaign. all right, susan, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> what made you switch to the romney camp? >> several things. i became increasingly disillusioned and disappointed, and actually pretty angry when obama came out with his 67 borders comments about israel. and i just felt that he wasn't up to the job. >> and i notice -- i read the big story that was about you. you're not happy with the deficit plans, you're not happy with the tax plans. but the thing tha

. average cost of gas -- 18 cents for a gallon. we have with as the vice- president of the government and municipal affairs. you will tel us how fans can get here safely and on time. >> absolutely. we have waited almost eight decades. we will level out today. fans -- give yourself an extra hour to get here today. expect the metro to be full. come early. the gates open at 10:30. we will have lots of facilities and entertainment here. >> we spoke with the president of merchandise. more than 2 million fans. how challenging hasn't been getting the fans around. >> a great regional government makes it all happen. if you're coming on the green line from downtown, try not to change to l'enfant plaza. today gallery place if you can. >> nothing says post season baseball. its that not spectacular? the bunting is up here at 5:30. if you have a group of tickets make sure you bring the mlbs game one ticket. it will supply game 1. even though it is game 3 of this series, make sure you bring the game one ticket or else he will be in trouble at the gates. >> make sure your tickets as home game 1. >> b

revenues going to the government. my number one principle is, no tax cut that adds to the deaf. underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> rorm's mney's insistence his cut is revenue neutral. monday he floated one idea to a local denver tv station. >> you could do something, for instance, as an option, you could say everybody's going to get up to a $17,000 deduction and use your charitable deduction, home mortgage deduction or others, health care deduction and fill that bucket if you will, $17,000 bucket, higher income people might have a lower number. >> last night romney ditched the $17,000 bucket and suggested he might make up a number. >> one of the various ways to bring down deductions, a single number, make up a number, 25,000, 50,000. >> yes, make up a number. anyway, who cares about specifics? or facts for that matter? instead, romney tried to remind voters about the president's broken promises. >> the president said he'd cut the deficit in half. unfortunately he doubled it the president did say he would cut the deficit in half -- >> i'm pledging to cut the

translate it into english and went along the lines of its against the hagues of the government which is you blame every single mistake and work against the state. on the other hand, i mentioned henry david who was pivotal in my thinking. he basically had the idea of not the idea of living but he went out on civil disobedience to the hill and saw this absolute duty that surrounded him. i want to look around myself and say here there is no state. i try to do that every day by making sure i can see everything from interacting with my neighbors in the sense of exchange and privatizing my life, taking my life back from the state and privatizing it to the extent possible do i interject in the state and make sure you go into businesses that are privatizing government services. we are going to an unprecedented period of the state control and i'm not saying that you should marker yourself or your family. that would be reckless. to the extent possible privatize your own personal life. >> does that mean you are living off the grid and not flying on their plans because of tsa and all the differe

to cite government subsidies to that network. the former chairman of the board of the associated press, william dean singleton, last april introduced president obama at the annual a.p. lunch onby saying, quote, the president inherited the head winds of the worst economic recession since the great depression. he pushed through congress the biggest economic recovery plan in history, and on and on and on. a glowing introduction. now the a.p. is one of the largest news wire services in the world. and it's biased against mitt romney. i think that's true, beyond a reasonable doubt. local newspapers all over the usa carry a.p. photos and articles every day. that's a huge advantage for president obama. and perhaps the best example of what the national media has become in america. the obama campaign believes governor romney made a big mistake by saying he would stop federal money to pbs and npr. this morning, this ad was released. >> bernie madoff, dennis kozlowski, criminals, gluttons of greed. and the evil genius who towered over them. one man has the guts o speak his name. >> big bird,

role of government, and governing. with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics, and choices. both candidates will also have two-minute closing statements. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. no cheers applause boos hiss among other noisy distracting things, so we may all concentrate on what the candidates have to say. there is a noise exception right now, though as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start the economy segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about creating new jobs? you have two minutes -- each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has been determined mr. president you go first. >> obama: thank you very much for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of colorado for your hospitality. 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to a marry me. so i just want to wish sweety you happy anniversary, and let you know a year from

it turned into a trap. government sources say stevens personal security guard managed to climb out a window, perhaps this one where the bars were removed. the question is why stevens left behind in the dark and the smoke didn't follow. his body was pulled from that same window by a crowd hours later. the september 11th attack wasn't the first on the u.s. consulate. it had been bombed in june. on september the 8th, a commander of one of benghazi's most powerful militias met with three americans, one from the u.s. embassy to warn them about deteriorating security. >> translator: benghazi is not safe. >> you told that to the americans. >> translator: yeah. >> reporter: the brigade commander added that he didn't think his advice or warnings were really taken to heart by americans. but that meeting had been called to discuss the possibility of americans' private investment returning to benghazi but the subject was even under discussion considering the circumstances is remarkable. >> the taliban said it is responsible for the attack on a 14-year-old pakistani girl who spoke out against t

shanghai automotive and the government of china is requesting and pressuring general motors in order for them to sell in their markets to share their intellectual property. presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >>now that's politically direct. (vo) brought to you by communications workers of america. bring jobs home now. >> jennifer: as we mentioned earlier, the president has a big lead among women in ohio. a full 25--point advantage but he now also leads among female voters nationwide by 18 points. that 18-point lead is unprecedented. >> no candidate has ever won either gender by such a large margin. at least in the 90 years since women got the right to vote. the margin among men which exists is 10 points. 10-point lead for romney. so why are women so decisively in the democrat's camp? well, it might surprise of some you but it's not just about reproductive rights. in fact, pew research finds the number one issue for women is -- you ready? the role of government. 4

religious affiliations? we begin this evening with this story that is happening right now. the government has continued it's vendetta against big banks. the government accuses the mortgage lender of reckless trifecta issuing at least 100,000 affected loans. this story comes as the cnbc.com story makes headlines. the question is why is the government and the taxpayor still in the housing business? let's go to our guest. diana, good evening. >> well look, confidence in housing is coming back. especially in home prices. some say they think home prices will fall further. optimism has been rising for 11 straight months. you don't have to look farther than record low mortgage rates. some claim it is a government subsidy. there are short sales. it is fast becoming the exit of choice for banks and sellers. they are now moving faster thanks to government mandated streamlining and incentives. hofa has so far paid out $333 million for short sales part of the $10 billion that was set aside for the loan modification program. also pushing short sales so far under that program the banks have forgiven $8

government handouts. obama campaign adviser david plough had an answer. it wasn't very good. >> 47%, that's an issue that 100% of the country knows about. the president wanted to tell the american people here's my job plan. focused on energy and education on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach on taxes on deficit on wall street reform, on medicare and healthcare. >> eliot: on "good morning america," comedian jon stewart said he tried the same strategy in an upcoming debate with bile o'reilly. >> strategy that obama took, it is the rope-a-dope but instead of letting your opponent punch himself out you just get beat up. >> eliot: ouch. piling insult on top of self-inflicted injury, john sununu told msnbc's andrea mitchell -- >> what people saw last night i think, was a president that revealed his incompetence, how lazy and detached he is. >> did you really mean to call barack obama the president of the united states lazy? >> he didn't want to prepare for this debate. he's lazy and disengaged. >> eliot: wow. asked if sununu's comments had overtone

devoted health care. the final two segments will cover the role of government and governing. with mitt romney and president obama in the final hours of preparing and holding mock debates it's up to the running mates to connect with the voters on the kpaun trail. >> together we'll win north carolina. >> reporter: vice presidented bien said something on tuesday the romney campaign agreed with. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> reporter: paul ryan said the middle class has been buried. >> they are being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> reporter: the obama campaign said ryan took mr. biden's words out of context. the president will have the first word tonight, mitt romney will have the last. >> susan, thank you. this is where you can watch tonight's debate. our coverage begins at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cbs. meanwhile off the campaign trail conservative blogs were budsing about fox news recent airing about a 2007 speech by a then senator obama before a black audience. he expressed suspicion

some of the numbers. we had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. we had 873,000 jobs by a household survey, which is a total estimate, from 50,000 phone calls. of those 600,000 were temporary workers. chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions. tons of assumptions. and it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election the numbers go 0.1% below when they were when the president started, although, i don't see anything in the economy that says these surges are true. the 873,000 jobs in the household survey is the strongest economy since 1983. i don't think you can find an economist. there were 25 of them this morning that predicted 8.1 to 8.2 but they did forget 114,000 jobs. we got 114,000 jobs and somehow, the assumptions ended up at 7.8. >> let me just get back to your tweet this morning. it must be embarrassing for you to do a tweet after the power you used to have. tweeting doesn't seem like something i'd hear from jack welch. and i mean it. unbelievable job numbers, fair enough. these chicago guys will do anything to change the n